Trailer - "Into the Forest I Go"
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There was also a brief clip on After Trek...
...in which some kind of technology is being planted on the Sarcophagus ship, but Lorca isn't letting Burnham off Discovery even though she's the most logical choice, having actually been there. He seems almost protective, which is terrifying.
Of course, the trailer tells us she's absolutely going over there, so, predictions!
- Georgiou flashbacks, but probably not fresh Michelle Yeoh scenes
- L'Rell is gonna get her chance to activate Ash's sleeper agent personality, at which point shit will get real
- that might even be the cliffhanger -- it's what I'd do
There was also a brief clip on After Trek...
...in which some kind of technology is being planted on the Sarcophagus ship, but Lorca isn't letting Burnham off Discovery even though she's the most logical choice, having actually been there. He seems almost protective, which is terrifying.
Of course, the trailer tells us she's absolutely going over there, so, predictions!
- Georgiou flashbacks, but probably not fresh Michelle Yeoh scenes
- L'Rell is gonna get her chance to activate Ash's sleeper agent personality, at which point shit will get real
- that might even be the cliffhanger -- it's what I'd do
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Date: 2017-11-06 10:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-06 10:59 pm (UTC)(Does this put her in a position to ally with Michael? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM cannot speculate ahead of evidence.)
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Date: 2017-11-06 11:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-06 11:11 pm (UTC)I have a serious weakness for mentor/apprentice relationships, and the biggest surprise of Discovery for me is how much I don't ship Michael/Lorca. (Shady, manipulative older mentor, younger, damaged, brilliant protegee? THIS SHOULD BE MY CATNIP.)
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Date: 2017-11-06 11:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-06 11:40 pm (UTC)They should have, and maybe even did, but I'm pretty sure "non-Vulcan raised by Vulcans" isn't in the 23rd century DSM. Although given the evidence of Michael, Spock, and that one guy in Enterprise from the future generation-ship-Enterprise, it almost certainly should be. :P
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Date: 2017-11-06 11:45 pm (UTC)To be fair, it did take me until episode six to figure it out, when it was confirmed Michael was completely raised in the Vulcan way. Georgiou tried her best, but she didn't have a training manual on how to re-introduce human emotions to a Vulcan-trained human.
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Date: 2017-11-06 11:49 pm (UTC)Yeah, yup until the flashbacks with Burnham arriving on the Shenzhou I was really hoping we weren't looking at "traumatized Human child raised exactly as if she were a Vulcan." Because for crying out loud, who let Sarek do that? What Human ambassador to Vulcan was like "Yeah, okay, sure, you can keep a child of our species to see if you can raise her as a mini-Vulcan." Whoever that was should be ashamed of themself, because that's exactly not how an embassy should behave in protecting their minor citizens. I mean, can you imagine?!
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Date: 2017-11-06 11:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-07 12:01 am (UTC)Or maybe I'm just biased by watching Enterprise right now. XD
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:01 am (UTC)Does Earth not have social workers in the 23rd century? I'm sure there were plenty of great foster homes available for Micahel.
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:05 am (UTC)Apparently not, or at least they don't step in when an ambassador is like "Hey, no prob, I'll just raise the kid my way." And apparently Michael's parents didn't have any living family who might have been interested in their child's welfare, either? I don't know. I just, coming at this from the place of Enterprise and the Vulcans' heavy-handed, extremely paternalistic and condescending attitude toward Humans there, find the whole thing very suspicious.
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Date: 2017-11-08 01:14 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:22 am (UTC)I just started the Ancillary trilogy, so everything else is ON HOLD
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:26 am (UTC)OH NO, that is absolutely the right thing to do! ENJOY. ♥ I just got her 4th book (same universe but technically unrelated to the Ancillary books) out of the library, like, 2 days ago, and I'm already 62% of the way through it because DAMN but I love those books!
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:31 am (UTC)All my friends have been raving about these books for ages, but I just never got around to it until a couple gave them to me for my birthday, and WHIZZAP they were on my Kindle and I decided I'd just look, just to kind of be polite, and WHAM, that was it.
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:49 am (UTC)♥♥♥
My best friend spent, like, years trying to convince me to read them, and I was just like "Yeah, I know, I'll get to it sometime, I swear, I just have a lot of other books and, I don't know, I'm not sure I really get the concept."
Yeah. She was right (as usual).
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:41 am (UTC)You know, I think I'm due for a B5 rewatch this summer. (It's gonna look great on my giant high-def TV, right? RIGHT?)
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:51 am (UTC)I've long ago accepted that in my head B5 magically transforms into this high-def thing that is glorious, but that when I actually watch it I am instantly thrown into embarrassment squick by all the plywood sets and the bleach-commercial guest stars. But it's just so pretty in my head!
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Date: 2017-11-07 01:15 am (UTC)I appreciate how much its aesthetic has turned into Discovery (via Mass Effect) and The Expanse, but sometimes I dream of a reboot where it's not just the aliens who are played by great actors.
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Date: 2017-11-07 05:42 am (UTC)Same, but then as soon as I think that I get upset by the idea of the things they would change and the things they'd cut and the general fact that someone else would be playing those aliens, and then I get sad and realize that if they ever do a reboot I will probably be broken to pieces about it.
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Date: 2017-11-08 01:17 pm (UTC)And your feelings about a reboot are the same as mine. A chance to make a few things even better! Terror that they'd fuck up what I love! Delenn NOT played by Mira Furlan. IDK if I could handle it. (I would, of course, watch it if it existed, at least to see how much it sucked...)
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Date: 2017-11-08 09:07 pm (UTC)But doing that requires... well, it requires redesigns, for one thing. Which, for a lot of things, I'd be fine with... but then I realize that you would have to pry the design of the Minbari warships out of my cold, dead hands. Judging by what Discovery has done, it would apparently mean immobile insane makeup for the aliens, especially the Minbari because gosh, we can't have her looking more or less like she does as a Human, that would spoil the surprise later! We've tried that. I've seen the screencaps. It was horrible.
And then there's the actors. Sure, I'll recast Byron and Talia in a heartbeat (oh please let me), and I'll quite happily hand over John Sheridan and even Ivanova and Marcus to be recast, I understand that actors change and characters move on. But the gut-wrenching horror of realizing that a reboot would mean a new person playing Delenn? A new person playing Londo? A new person playing G'Kar? My heart isn't ready. I'm not sure it ever will be.
But I also still want it. XD
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Date: 2017-11-08 09:28 pm (UTC)I sort of had a stroke of genius a few months ago, which put the idea of a reboot in my head: you know who would be amazing as Morden? Living, breathing labrador puppy in human form Chris Evans. No one would see it coming.
And then I imagined Tatiana Maslany as Ivanova, and Chris Pine in his greying, war weary incarnation as Sheridan. Imagine Christopher Jackson as Garibaldi. I don't even know who you'd have as Sinclair, but picture a set-up where, from the beginning, Sinclair is the Earth Ambassador to B5 and Sheridan is the military governor, and they have competing priorities -- not to mention the external pressure, that Sinclair was a Minbari choice and Sheridan was appointed as a corresponding fuck-you.
But then ... who could possibly play Delenn? Gal Gadot could do wise and aloof, but how is she at darkness and shame? Someone older? (Hey, Michelle Yeoh is free.)
And then I started thinking of Londo and G'Kar.
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Date: 2017-11-09 12:35 am (UTC)I am not sure I have been introduced to the actress I'd trust with Delenn. But it's possible that somewhere, she exists. I just can't bear to contemplate specifics any sooner than I need to. :D
I like your Jeff and John related thoughts. No love triangles though. ALL the Delenn-centric threesomes instead!
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Date: 2017-11-09 12:37 am (UTC)The problem with the casting game is that we aren't aware of the unknowns!
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Date: 2017-11-09 12:26 am (UTC)You COULD have Minbari ships that looked like Minbari ships, only with better quality shimmery hull colours. You WOULD, if I was boss of it. But would we get that??
It would probably come down to who they put in charge of such a reboot, whether they were someone whose worldview and stylistic choices I tended to click with and whose competence I trusted. Someone who I felt loved the original and really got it, you know? I'm sure that no matter what, they'd make choices I disagreed with, because no two people ever have the exact same vision. (Heck, I almost kinda...like...the new Klingons sometimes?) But people who could give Babylon 5 that certain something, I'd feel so much better about.
And who they cast as Delenn. I'm sure that there is actually a young woman out there right now with the intensity and acting chops to match Mira and really give a new Delenn her soul; it's not like powerhouse actresses have ceased to exist since 1992. But she's going to be someone very special and I don't want them just pulling in the first popular face they find. You know? I hope they really search for the right person for that role. I'd be super super cautious until she could sell me on it, but I'd be open to being convinced. Probably. Bonus points if Mira gets to cameo in something neat at some point. :P
G'Kar and Londo's casting as well, hell I would probably have Feelings on whether Susan and Jeff were right. But so much would hinge on Delenn.
But ohhhh my god, if they got it right...
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-07 12:41 am (UTC)OMG THE DISCO T-SHIRT
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Date: 2017-11-07 12:42 am (UTC)SERIOUS MUSHROOMS.
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Date: 2017-11-08 01:18 pm (UTC)Man, I love how everyone's breaking out all their other Star Trek icons for Disco threads. :D :D
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Date: 2017-11-06 11:45 pm (UTC)This reminds me of that odd bit in "Lethe," where Lorca is all "Bring her back in one piece or don't come back" at his new best buddy Ash, and Ash is... somewhat confused when he realizes that Lorca is talking about Burnham, not the shuttle. It's enough to make one think that Lorca has some farther-out purpose that he's holding onto for Burnham, though I can't yet imagine what.
Despite being the one who introduced me to the blasted theory about Ash actually being Voq, my husband has now decided it's a red herring and is too obvious to be true.
As I pointed out to him, this is pretty subtle, for Star Trek.
Anyway, yeah, I think there's a chance Ash's sleeper agent personality will be activated for the cliffhanger. It might still be too early, though, with 6 episodes left.
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Date: 2017-11-07 10:08 am (UTC)